The following was shared on Facebook:
Me: That's a crappy analogy. Marines can protect themselves from sexual abuse. Children, as you pointed out in the case of Toddlers & Tiaras, can't.
Gay person who posted it: So being gay automatically puts them at greater risk for sexual abuse? We might as well disband all boy scouts and girl scouts and other children's events to eliminate any possibilty of a gay kid being left out, or from being at greater risk for sexual abuse.
Um.... What the fuck are you talking about? And this is the more logical part, mind you. After that it got really nonsensical and mostly calling people bigots and assholes. But as for this, really, what the fuck are you talking about?
Here is the thing: BOY Scouts of America, which is what your little banner is about, is primarily a MALE club. With MALE children aged 5 to 17. There is also a co-ed branch, 14-20 years old. Approximately 4% of youth members are female. So yeah, it's primarily a MALE organization. And the thing is, when male people sexually molest male people, that makes the perpetrators gay by definition. See, straight guys don't molest other guys. Gay guys molest guys; straight guys molest girls. Are you seeing the logic here? So if you have a whole bunch of guys, and some of them are molesting some others, then all the guys doing the molesting are gay. So if you get rid of all the gay guys, there won't be anyone left to do any molesting. Amazing!
Of course a better counter-argument to my argument would have been to say that protecting the kids from predators isn't even the reason the BSA gives; their reason is that gay people don't fit in their mandate. The horror! Oh yeah. But then that brings us to another difference between the Marines and the BSA. Marines are a government body; BSA is a private club. Private clubs, by definition, have the right to select their members. You don't like it? I guess you can just call them bigots and assholes and move on. Because you can't beat them in court. They've already won several times on this topic.
But really, this isn't about the BSA. It's about the fact that any gay person I've ever tried to listen to on the topic of gay rights has this kind of bizarre break in logic. Some of them reject logic altogether; for example, in favour of "being human", which apparently means calling people bigots and assholes when they don't agree with you. Wait... Ok, you're right, that's totally what being human is all about. But don't think you get special dibs on reflexive deprecation of the outgroup because you're gay. You want to call us bigots and assholes for not agreeing with you, rest assured we have equally nice things we can say to you. You might not want to start that fight.
Back to my point, again. Why do all my gay acquaintances have this complete lack of logic in defending gay rights? There is a very logical argument for gay rights. Here in Canada we call it the Charter; though of course it wouldn't help you with the BSA, which is a US organization. So why go with the completely illogical, when logic is available? After observing this same spastic rejection of reality repeatedly, I've come to wonder whether it's a feature of the homosexual brain.
Consider the following. Gays are behaviourally different from non-gays. Gasp! What kind of bigot would say such a thing?
Please. It's a tautology. Some people have sex with the opposite sex, some people have sex with the same sex. Clearly differentiated behaviours, ergo, these two groups are behaviourally different. Also, 99% of humans fuck the opposite sex, 1% will admit to fucking the same sex. So it's not just behaviourally different, it's abnormal. From "ab-" meaning away from and "norma" meaning rule. As a rule, people have sex with the opposite sex. To do otherwise is, literally, abnormal.
The thing with behavioural anomalies, and indeed every behaviour, is that it comes from the brain. No, really. And the second thing is, they don't happen alone. Behaviours come in clusters, so that a person who exhibits certain behaviours typically also exhibits some other behaviours from the same cluster. Which brings me at last to my point: what other behaviours are part of the homosexuality cluster? And more specifically, is the breakdown of logic caused by the same brain modification that causes homosexuality?
Realistically, a lot of people have problems with logic. And on the other hand, Alan Turing was gay. But of course, exceptions don't disprove statistics. I don't think we can draw any generalisations from Alan Turing.
It's a good question, really. Not one about which I care enough to do any research, but still, it's a good question. Especially if you want to argue for or against gay marriage, or for or against gays adopting children. I personally don't care enough to have an opinion about either, but for someone who does, it would be valuable to have information on the behavioural differences between gay and non-gay brains. Other than the obvious.
That's the funny thing with gay rights vociferations. The more you do it, the more you're starting to look like a bunch of idiots. And then you make people wonder, are you a bunch of idiots because you're gay, or are you a bunch of idiots and you're gay?
Me: That's a crappy analogy. Marines can protect themselves from sexual abuse. Children, as you pointed out in the case of Toddlers & Tiaras, can't.
Gay person who posted it: So being gay automatically puts them at greater risk for sexual abuse? We might as well disband all boy scouts and girl scouts and other children's events to eliminate any possibilty of a gay kid being left out, or from being at greater risk for sexual abuse.
Um.... What the fuck are you talking about? And this is the more logical part, mind you. After that it got really nonsensical and mostly calling people bigots and assholes. But as for this, really, what the fuck are you talking about?
Here is the thing: BOY Scouts of America, which is what your little banner is about, is primarily a MALE club. With MALE children aged 5 to 17. There is also a co-ed branch, 14-20 years old. Approximately 4% of youth members are female. So yeah, it's primarily a MALE organization. And the thing is, when male people sexually molest male people, that makes the perpetrators gay by definition. See, straight guys don't molest other guys. Gay guys molest guys; straight guys molest girls. Are you seeing the logic here? So if you have a whole bunch of guys, and some of them are molesting some others, then all the guys doing the molesting are gay. So if you get rid of all the gay guys, there won't be anyone left to do any molesting. Amazing!
Of course a better counter-argument to my argument would have been to say that protecting the kids from predators isn't even the reason the BSA gives; their reason is that gay people don't fit in their mandate. The horror! Oh yeah. But then that brings us to another difference between the Marines and the BSA. Marines are a government body; BSA is a private club. Private clubs, by definition, have the right to select their members. You don't like it? I guess you can just call them bigots and assholes and move on. Because you can't beat them in court. They've already won several times on this topic.
But really, this isn't about the BSA. It's about the fact that any gay person I've ever tried to listen to on the topic of gay rights has this kind of bizarre break in logic. Some of them reject logic altogether; for example, in favour of "being human", which apparently means calling people bigots and assholes when they don't agree with you. Wait... Ok, you're right, that's totally what being human is all about. But don't think you get special dibs on reflexive deprecation of the outgroup because you're gay. You want to call us bigots and assholes for not agreeing with you, rest assured we have equally nice things we can say to you. You might not want to start that fight.
Back to my point, again. Why do all my gay acquaintances have this complete lack of logic in defending gay rights? There is a very logical argument for gay rights. Here in Canada we call it the Charter; though of course it wouldn't help you with the BSA, which is a US organization. So why go with the completely illogical, when logic is available? After observing this same spastic rejection of reality repeatedly, I've come to wonder whether it's a feature of the homosexual brain.
Consider the following. Gays are behaviourally different from non-gays. Gasp! What kind of bigot would say such a thing?
Please. It's a tautology. Some people have sex with the opposite sex, some people have sex with the same sex. Clearly differentiated behaviours, ergo, these two groups are behaviourally different. Also, 99% of humans fuck the opposite sex, 1% will admit to fucking the same sex. So it's not just behaviourally different, it's abnormal. From "ab-" meaning away from and "norma" meaning rule. As a rule, people have sex with the opposite sex. To do otherwise is, literally, abnormal.
The thing with behavioural anomalies, and indeed every behaviour, is that it comes from the brain. No, really. And the second thing is, they don't happen alone. Behaviours come in clusters, so that a person who exhibits certain behaviours typically also exhibits some other behaviours from the same cluster. Which brings me at last to my point: what other behaviours are part of the homosexuality cluster? And more specifically, is the breakdown of logic caused by the same brain modification that causes homosexuality?
Realistically, a lot of people have problems with logic. And on the other hand, Alan Turing was gay. But of course, exceptions don't disprove statistics. I don't think we can draw any generalisations from Alan Turing.
It's a good question, really. Not one about which I care enough to do any research, but still, it's a good question. Especially if you want to argue for or against gay marriage, or for or against gays adopting children. I personally don't care enough to have an opinion about either, but for someone who does, it would be valuable to have information on the behavioural differences between gay and non-gay brains. Other than the obvious.
That's the funny thing with gay rights vociferations. The more you do it, the more you're starting to look like a bunch of idiots. And then you make people wonder, are you a bunch of idiots because you're gay, or are you a bunch of idiots and you're gay?
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